“DJ” Schmitt, & Michael Finkelstein amazing medical device, Neuro20 Electrical Muscle Stimulator

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Cary Hall

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Cary Hall

So this is a show we're trying to get lined up for some time, and we finally got it done, I think. I think we had tried this for like two or three months at least, DJ and Michael, but here we are today. So today my guests are D.J. Schmidt, CEO and co-founder of Nero 20 excuse me, and founder of Neuro 20, and Michael Finkelstein, co-founder and president of Neuro 20. So we're going to talk about the Neuro 20 suit today and what it does and the history of this and this show centers around rehabilitation and how this works, the neuromuscular therapy, you know, injuries and disease that people wind up with and how this suit can literally bring you back.

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Cary Hall

And the real life story behind this is the guy sitting on the screen right there in the White collared shirt. Okay. That you know that that that is D.J. Smith. He is a former recon marine. I did a lot of tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, came home with a lot of injuries and it was out of that necessity for him to get back to where he is today. And if you look at him today, he's probably healthier than I am. I wouldn't doubt that a bit. And out of that grew Neuro 20. So let's just go if we can a little bit here about these two. So so D.J. was a disabled veteran. He went on a journey to discover a way to recover from multiple injuries received while he served his country. After many years of travel and research, he discovered electro muscular stimulation. He was surprised by the amount of research on E.M.S. already existed, but couldn't understand why it was not being utilized in a wider variety of applications. So we're going to and that's what we're going to talk about today. And out of that, you know, he came together with Michael Finkelstein, who is his partner.

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Cary Hall

Michael is a medical has worked with medical providers and universities for the past five years to develop electro muscle stimulation. You'd think I did radio applications for E.M.S. products in physical rehabilitation fields, in human performance. He has 19 years of experience in public administration and research, including a graduate level grant writing, which he also does. He has a B.A. from Binghamton University and two graduate degrees in additional graduate certificates, including Parsons School of Design.

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Cary Hall

So you've got two very experienced guys that came together for different reasons. And put this together. D.J., a little bit about your history. You were, as I said, a recon Marine. You did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and then you were a private contractor as well. Talk a little bit about what you what when you were done with all of that, what shape you were in and what you were dealing with from from a rehab and therapy standpoint.

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D.J. Schmidt

You know, first of all, thank you for having us on. I appreciate it. The electric muscle stimulation field has been around forever. You know, I had my I and multiple injuries over the course of my career. Disabled Marine 50% disabled. I continued my service overseas working as a private contractor for multiple government agencies where I sustained more injuries or got to the point where I wasn't able to function. You know, I was walking, you know, with limitations. I slept on the floor. I couldn't sleep in the bed. I got up to 260 pounds and I had an option of taking opioids and being dazed and confused or not taking opioids and being in so much pain nobody wanted to be around me because I was just evil and mean when it came down to it because I had to deal with pain every day. You know, I traveled the world, you know, when I got done, you know, I couldn't do the security work anymore. You know, I became an entrepreneur. I opened up a couple defense contracting companies overseas and sold that and in the course. I traveled the world everywhere from going to China, doing blood excuse me, Japan going to the original cryotherapy machine, blood flow restriction, India for that China living, living in a Shaolin Temple or outside the Shaolin Temple I wasn't allowed to live in it, but I would go there every morning for treatments, trying to make something. You know, I had a I had a son. I was limited. I couldn't do anything. You know, He was just born. I want to I wanted to experience life with him. So I made it my life's mission to make myself better.

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D.J. Schmidt

I wasn't accepting. There was no way to make myself better. And after years of traveling, I came across the EMS over in Europe as they were using it as a fitness device. I put it on. I really the impact or I should say the lack of impact on my life was great because there was no impact on my joints, ligaments and tendons. That's all I knew it was. There was a way for me to contract my muscles, as are building them again without the additional impact of regular traditional weights and resistance bands. And that provided me some relief. Started getting involved with multiple EMS companies and, you know, none of them wanted to go into the medical field. There were 40,000 studies on electrical muscle stimulation. I had an electrical engineering degree and I ignored electrical stimulation from what I knew about it here in the U.S., you know the ab-buster things that you lay on a couch, you get a six pack, the little handheld machines. But there was so much science. I had to get involved. I put together an amazing team. Mike was the first one to believe in it because he's seen what it did for me.

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Michael Finkelstein

Yeah. So.

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Cary Hall

So Mike, take it from there. I mean, you guys, I, you know, I always I look at, you know, I look at people like you that do things like this that are entrepreneurs and invent things like this. And there's an interesting side story, and I'll relate to spending a second. The guy that invented the Dyson ball vacuum cleaner out of England, you know how many times he had to make that device before he found one that worked 5429 times.

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Cary Hall

He had.

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Michael Finkelstein

That right.

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Cary Hall

So now I'm going to ask you how many times you guys have to remake the neuro 20 suit before because this isn't like, oh, I woke up today and I think I'm going to put it together. This is a, you know, trial and error process. It it takes a hell of a lot of determination to be able to come away with something that worked as well as what you do, which, by the way, congratulations is now an FDA approved device across the country. We'll talk more about that. So talk a little bit about how you two came together to make Neuro 20, as we see in the background there.

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Michael Finkelstein

Well, well, like you just said, the vacuum cleaner certainly existed, but Dyson saw a way of making it better. He decided, you know, when when he saw that vacuum cleaner, he said, I can engineer this and make it better. And that's exactly what D.J. did. So what happened was, is I was good friends with D.J., and I knew him when he was suffering from injuries and he was in pain. And, you know, our children were very good friends. And one day he tells me that he's moving away and he's going to retire in Majorca and he's going to buy a bar with a sliding chair.

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Cary Hall

Is that is is that every is that every a retired Marine and police officer and first responders dream is to buy the bar. I don't know about Majorca but is that every every how many times have I heard that did.

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D.J. Schmidt

You know for me it was just I didn't have an option. I couldn't do anything else. I couldn't move, you know, it was hard for me to walk. It was hard for me to lay down to sleep. I was constantly in pain. It was a way for me to sit in a chair and do something. I was too young to do anything.

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Michael Finkelstein

And he doesn't drink.

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Cary Hall

There you go. Yeah.

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Michael Finkelstein

Yeah. I didn't have to worry about drinking, I promise. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Smart businessman. So long story short, you know, he he moves away, and it's very sad for my family, and I know he's gone and. And his wife and beautiful. They're gone. And the guy and his child. And then one day, about a year and a half later, he comes knocking on my door and he's walking and he looks great. And I'm like, What is going on? And he started telling me about what he's doing. And EMS and he had me try a suit and I put it on. I had two micro lumbar discectomies and it worked for me. It made me feel great. And so I basically said, Hey, can I please do this with you? And walked away from, you know, a 20 year career to start a new career. And seven years later, here we are. Yeah.

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Cary Hall

And that is it is it's a remarkable story how the two of you came together. It's remarkable. And we're going to get into this the next segment. We'll talk about, you know, what what happened once they put the suit together, How has it worked and who have they used it with? And we're going to talk about all of that when we come back from the break. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate. Broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network, coast to coast across the USA. If you want to learn more about this, go to the website neurologic.life, all the information on the neuro 20 is up there. Folks that are be happy to help you reach out to you, give you a demonstration, whatever the case may be. Stay tuned. We'll be right back after the break. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate. Broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network. Coast to coast across the USA, we've got more. Don't go anywhere.

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Cary Hall

Welcome back. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate Show broadcasting coast to coast across the U.S. here on the HIA Radio Network. Find out more about us. You can do that by going to the website America's Healthcare Advocate dot com. Like I said in the opening, the show is posted on 12 different podcast platforms and YouTube. So you listening to this today about this suit about the Neuro 20 maybe, you know somebody that's, you know, having problems going through a rehab, maybe they had a stroke, maybe they've got Parkinson's, maybe they were in an accident, whatever the case may be. It would behoove you to take time to go look at this. And the website to do that on is neurologic dot life, neurologic.life. And that's spelled N E U R O, by the way, neurologic life. Joining me today from I think you got you guys are in Florida, right? Yes, it's sunny sunny Florida. It's not quite that sunny here in Kansas today. Our D.J. Schmidt, he is the CEO and founder of Neuron 20 Michael Finkelstein. He is the co-founder, president of Neuro 20. We're talking about this suit, what it does. You heard a little bit about the journey of how they got here. You know, what D.J. went through and you know where he's at today. And he credits Neuro 20 for making that happen. And you heard Michael talk about the same thing and the fact that he has used the suit now to help them. So let's just start out with a little bit of the of the suit history itself, and then let's go from there.

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D.J. Schmidt

You know, so, you know, overseas, they had when I first tried EMS it was a vested system with cables that hooked to machine. You had to share the vest with other people. It wasn't very hygienic as far as I was concerned. So I just, you know, we went and we worked out a model and this is the suit. I'm holding it up. It's an end so everybody can get their own individual suit. It's machine washable. It has pre placed electrodes in it, 20 electrodes that cover, you know, different muscle groups with really large size electrodes. They they're designed to contour the muscles and cover the muscles as much muscle as possible because electrical muscle stimulation doesn't actually stimulate the muscle directly. It activates the motor neurons in the muscle to contract them. So by covering your traditional EMS, these our little patches, two inches by two inches. So we contoured them to activate as many muscles as possible. Not only that, the intensity on the large muscle electricity flows until it dissipates. So you would you'll see it down into your knees. The peroneal nerve, you know, the fast twitch muscle in the joints, you'll see those twitching that are not covered directly by the electrodes.

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Cary Hall

So that suit, Michael, you just held up, that was the inside of the suit. And those were. Those are the silver. That's actual silver, isn't it. That's in there.

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Michael Finkelstein

There's silver plating right. Yeah. 26, 26%. Which makes the anti-microbial antibiotic standards by the FDA.

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Cary Hall

So, so so the easiest way to visualize this for all you West coasters out there and people in Florida that surf, it's like a wetsuit. Okay. That's the easiest way to describe what it looks like. Okay. My wife has one. It looks like a wetsuit. All right. So and it's simple to put on. You heard D.J. say it's machine washable. So you after you use it, if you sweat, whatever the case may be, you know, you can wash the thing and go back and use it. But now let's go back to Electro muscular stimulation that that acronym he uses, EMS That's what that stands for, folks. You see, you know what we're talking about. So let's go back through that and talk about now how you isolate. Let's let's start with Michael. Michael, that back injury you had. Let's talk about how you can take that suit now if you got the little box there, D.J., you can show the computer. That's it right there. That's the whole.

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Michael Finkelstein

it fits right here.

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Cary Hall

Yeah. There you go. That's what it looks like. That's about the size of a large pack of cigarets back in the day when they made Cigarets. But having said that, so talk about how you use that for your back injury and what a difference it made.

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Michael Finkelstein

Michael Absolutely. So basically when you're wearing a suit like this, you can isolate the area of the injury, right? Where you can stimulate that area contract the muscle and release it or you can you can also do all of the compensatory muscles. So how important is it when you're healing for a back injury that your abs and your core stays strong or you have full mobility in in your arm? And if you think about it, anybody who's ever thrown out their back will know this as soon as your back pulls in one direction, the other muscles start guarding against it. Right? It's they start, they all start pulling right. And so the one of our one of our indications of use of our many indications of use from the FDA is to relieve that muscle guarding those those muscle spasms. So now you can treat the area that's injured and treat the muscle guarding in the other areas. And so that gives you a range of mobility where you can start moving again. And now the rest of your body still getting healthy. Okay.

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Cary Hall

So let's go back to something you said there. And this is something we frequently hear from athletes and other people, muscle spasms. So now you've injured your back. And I've had back injuries and I do yoga and pilates and the whole focus of pilates is on the core, like you just mentioned here. Okay. So talk about this muscle spasm thing and how utilizing the suit gets rid of the muscle spasms and then let you rebuild that core. D.J..

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D.J. Schmidt

Yeah. So basically, what happens is you have an injured area. So what happens is when you start to have that injured area, your body will start compensating and distributing weight to different areas. But the body's not used to moving that way and that's what causes the muscles to start spasming because they're not being used in the proper way that the body designed is designed to be used. So what you can do is you not only focus on the injured area, the compensatory muscles, basically the muscles that support the other movements, because every muscle has a compensatory muscle. You know, you have your concentric and eccentric motion, you know, and this takes those muscles, stimulates and keeps them stabilized so that while you're doing the functional exercise in the in the in the in the injured area, it's maintaining the muscles and keeping them in a in a form that they're supposed to be in.

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Cary Hall

Okay. So, Michael, now you held up the little box. That's the actual computer. Let's we've got about 2 minutes left here. Let's talk about that and how that allows you to program this, that if you only want to do the muscles around your back or if you only want to do the muscles in your upper leg, talk about how you can individually program that to do any kind of rehab, you need to do with the suit, Michael.

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Michael Finkelstein

Okay. So basically this talks to an iPad 100 meter range, Bluetooth and on the iPad is a software where you can click on any muscle group and add stimulation or decrease stimulation to that area. Or you can click them all and bring them all up or down, and you can do it for up to ten patients at a time with individual control for each ten patients, for each muscle group within a hundred meter range. So you can do all kinds of movements. You can also pattern stem, which we can get into after.

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Cary Hall

So so I want to go back to that, though. It's important to understand. So. So you're a therapist or you're or you're a doctor or whatever the case or chiropractor, whatever the case may be, you've got a patient. You can actually put this suit on. That patient, and you can go to that specific muscle group using the iPad format off of that computer that's clicked on the side of the suit.

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Cary Hall

And you can isolate that and treat that with the Neuro 20, correct? Correct.

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D.J. Schmidt

Yeah. The beauty is is isolating the other muscles and stopping Usually when you're injured, what happens is you have dis-use atrophy. That means the muscle starts to weaken because you're not using it. This is a way like for spinal fusion surgery recovery. You know, they can't do anything for three months. We can contract the muscle without the impact on the ligaments, tendons and joints to maintain that muscle. So when they go back to recovering, they're not they're only recovering from the surgical area because we maintain the rest of the body during the recovery process.

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Cary Hall

It's amazing. And the muscle and the other muscles didn't atrophy because they weren't getting any stimulation during that time period.

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Michael Finkelstein

All right. That's another indication of use reduction of atrophy.

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Cary Hall

So we're coming up on the break here. If you want information, look, you can buy this as an individual and, you know, you'll get training on how to use it. It's not rocket science. People. So if you're someone that's you know, maybe you've got somebody, like I said, with Parkinson's or a stroke, whatever the case may be. You just heard about the spinal surgery. The website is neurologic.life. Go to the website, all the information is up there and the folks will be happy to reach out to you and do a demo, get you a suit, whatever you need to do. All right. We'll be right back after the break. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting on the HIA Radio Network Coast to coast across the USA. We've got more. Don't go anywhere.

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Cary Hall

Welcome back. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate Show broadcasting coast to coast across the U.S.A. here on the HIA Radio Network. You can find out more about us by going to the website of America's Healthcare Advocate dot com. Our producer, Mr. Darren Willhite. I'm your host, Cary Hall. Thank you for joining us again. In studio in Florida, joining us by Zoom, DJ Smith, CEO and founder of Neuro 20, and Michael Finkelstein, co-founder and president of Neuro 20. And we're talking about this suit, what it does, the amazing recovery process and how it speeds up recovery from various injuries, etc.. This is a remarkable suit. I've I've used it, I've demonstrated, I've seen it. It is amazing what it does. And there's nothing else like it in the marketplace, which is another thing. It's very interesting. They really don't have any competition for this because nobody's got anything that is exactly what their model is and does what their model does. So it's very, very different. If you want information on if you're a provider of any kind of chiropractor, if you're an M.D., if you're a physical therapist, a holistic medicine, whatever the case may be, and maybe you're just someone that somebody in your family's got Parkinson's or some other issue, go to the website Neurologic dot Life, neurologic.life, they'll be happy to help you send them an email and they'll be happy to chat with you about the suit and how it works, what it costs and all the rest of it. So let's start off with the big win here. FDA approval that that that took a while. They don't they don't move at the speed of light do they D.J.? They know and they never quite move like the Marine Corps does, do they.

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D.J. Schmidt

Yeah. Yeah. They're not an expeditionary unit.

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Cary Hall

No, they certainly aren’t. That's. Well, but Michael, talk a little bit about you know, the fact that, you know, you did you you went through that process. Now it's an FDA approved that's a big deal. So let's talk a little bit about that and and then let let's get into a little more information about inpatient, outpatient at home and all the rest of it.

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Michael Finkelstein

Well, what I'll say is that the professionals at the FDA do a great job of making sure that the public is safe. Right. That that is their number one job. And they want to make sure that you have everything buttoned up tight as a medical device to meet certain standards. And they're going to ask you all the tough questions. And that's the best part about it, is because, like you said, leading off with the Dyson, you know, vacuum, when they come back with something, you got to problem solve it out and figure it out from an engineering standpoint, Right. Like, it's not as simple. You may need to go get more testing on your system. You may need to have, you know, certain, you know, cytotoxic and biocompatible testing and everything imaginable under the sun. And it's amazing, you know, the professionals, what they make you go through to get this.

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D.J. Schmidt

But it's, you know, it's frustrating and it's a long process is for the better. It is. You want to make sure that using devices there are devices out there, they're not FDA approved and they're trans thoracic. That means they're sending signals across. There's no cytotoxicity like we're happy to go through the FDA process. Is it frustrating? Yes. Is it a big deal? Yes, because that's the first step of validity of the product. When you clear the FDA, you're safe. They tell you what the indications of use are. For example, increased blood flow, you know, range of motion. We can write a more flexible, you know, increasing your range of motion, you know, muscle disuse atrophy, strength.

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Michael Finkelstein

Preventing and guarding a muscle spasm.

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D.J. Schmidt

Yeah. I mean, these are all Yeah. And we have to prove this to the FDA before we can make that claim. So we already have some validity to the product. Now we'll move now we have case studies out there and I'll move into the bigger clinical trials for more applications.

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Michael Finkelstein

Exactly. And and it's really important that we reeducate the market. D.J. says it all the time. Go ahead and say it. Yeah.

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D.J. Schmidt

You don't want to talk to a physical therapist. You know, there's there's so mindset on what EMS has been we have to reeducate and that's harder than educating a market with something new is reeducating that we've taken science that's been around since B.C you know and now we're bringing it to the newest technology. So we have to reeducate the market. So I tell them all, you have to take everything off the table. You know, about EMS, electro muscle stimulation, including your patient. Because traditionally EMS was a static application. You lay on the you lay on the table and they provide you the stimulation. Now it's up and moving. You have a force coupler, you're moving involuntary, you're voluntary with an involuntary contraction, which is a game changer. And we have to reeducate the market. Yeah.

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Michael Finkelstein

And the first devices that were out there that that took the patient off the table, we give honor to them all the time. The wired ones with the shared vest. That was brilliant, that they got them into functional movement. But to do functional movement, you need to be able to go upstairs or you need to be able to, you know, if you're an athlete, swing or kick a ball and you can't do that in a wired, shared vest system. So that's why we advanced the system the way we did it.

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D.J. Schmidt

Real world applications.

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Cary Hall

And there is I want to reiterate this. I said it in the opening remarks on this segment. There is no other product out there that does what you do, the way you do it with Neuro 20, that they can isolate a specific muscle group that can that can program it this or program it that way at that. And we've talked about this. The last thing the show that is actually billable back paid by insurance carriers across the board. And we'll talk about that at the end. But I really want to emphasize here, you know, these things range of motion. You know, one of the things that we talk about in pilates all the time is that core strength and range of motion. I'm 73 years old. That's a big damn deal. Okay. As you age. Okay. And if you get injured, you know, you break a hip. I just I just went downstairs and met with the general manager of of Audacy Broadcasting. She's talking about her husband having five surgeries to replace a hip replacement. They had to do. And it's been hell on Earth. Okay. That he's gone through. Well, again, you know, this is the kind of thing where the neuro 20 comes in and can make a huge difference on rehab and give people an opportunity to recover and recover as you have D.J. and as you have, Michael, because you both used it, make 100% recovery. And that's not an exaggeration. That's a fact.

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D.J. Schmidt

Yeah. Basically, patient outcome is the key. You know, that's the number one thing is we have better patient outcome. One of the reasons what really defines us and makes us different that nobody else can do is our patented electrical muscle stimulation just fires the complete motor chain of a specific movement within microseconds. So instead of going first order, second order or third order, which is brain, spine muscle, we can track within microseconds the exact movement pattern of the muscle for specific movements.

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Michael Finkelstein

Yeah, Yeah. So if you think about it, if I were to be rehabbing and I need to learn how to stand like this and then sit back down again, think of every muscle involved in that movement and how quick the brain sends a signal to that muscle, to fire, to do that movement microseconds. We can repeat those microsecond patterns now to every single one of those muscles through the suit.

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Michael Finkelstein

And we do those contractions involuntarily while the patient struggles to voluntarily do it themselves. We're going to do it assistive and give them an involuntary support to do it. And we can do that for all kinds of movements.

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D.J. Schmidt

And we're going to keep continuing to build those movements out and update our software and firmware constantly. Now we're working and just for a simple reach and return, yeah, grab a cup of coffee and bring it back. For people who are limited due to stroke recovery, Parkinson's stabilizing the muscle to help keep, you know, it's about a quality of life.

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D.J. Schmidt

You know, we're not a cure for anything. We are a way to have a better quality of life for muscular injuries and diseases.

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Michael Finkelstein

Yeah, the injuries we can help certainly heal quicker.

00;28;09;06 - 00;28;41;22

Cary Hall

Yeah. So let's talk about that for a minute. So, you know, you have something like this hip surgery and the recovery time from those things is brutal. It's painful, it's brutal. All the rest of it. Well, we just talked about this in our previous segment. So now, you know, you can't work out. You can't do the things you used to do. You can put this Neuro 20 suit on and and rehab and speed up the rehab in that situation and cut that time down significantly from what it would typically take to go through a standard of physical therapy. Am I right or wrong? D.J., you're you're right.

00;28;41;22 - 00;28;43;14

Michael Finkelstein

But exactly when our case study.

00;28;43;14 - 00;28;53;20

D.J. Schmidt

Patient outcome, that's really the no matter what we say, patient outcome is better post surgery, pre-surgery, post injury, the patient outcome is significant.

00;28;53;20 - 00;29;15;08

Michael Finkelstein

And I don't want to brush over what he just said on the pre-surgery there. So what surgeons are finding and if you talk to surgeons, which I'm sure you do when you talk to surgeons, prehabilitation is the big thing right now, prehab, where rehab where they they're putting interventions in place prior to surgery to find better outcomes post-surgery.

00;29;15;08 - 00;29;17;02

Cary Hall

Yeah, they are. That's a big deal.

00;29;17;07 - 00;29;27;20

Michael Finkelstein

And so this suit is a prehab device that they can use before the surgery. Then they get the surgery and then they put it on and use it differently for rehabilitation.

00;29;27;25 - 00;30;07;17

Cary Hall

So so yeah, just so everybody gets what they're talking about here. So surgeries are being delayed now, sometimes six months, sometimes 90 days. And they're telling their tell maybe you're having a hip replacement surgery. And the surgeon says, well, you're going to have to lose 20 pounds and I want to see you do the following things for I'm willing to do that surgery. Okay. What what what we're hearing here. Okay. What you're listening to from DJ and from Michael is that the Neuro 20 can accelerate that process and help you get through it and make you stronger so that when you go have to surgery, you come back out. You're in a completely different shape than you would normally be, and you put the suit back on and you recover quicker. Is that about done Right?

00;30;07;18 - 00;30;08;21

Michael Finkelstein

Yeah, full cycle.

00;30;08;26 - 00;31;11;16

Cary Hall

And and that's what's really important here. You know, I don't put these kinds of products and do these kind of shows unless I think there's a reason here. This, this can help you. My wife's got one of these suits. Okay? I mean, I believe in this product. I know it works. I've seen what it does if you're a physician, if you're if you're a physical therapist and you heard D.J. say this, wipe everything you think you know about electro muscular stimulation off the table, this is different. And if you want to learn how different it is, go to the Web site. Neurologic dot life, neurologic dot life, all the information is up there and you can watch the videos, understand it, reach out to them. They'll be happy to connect with. And we come back from the break now. We're going to close the loop and talk about how if you are a medical professional, you can bill for this using CPT codes and all the rest of it. So stay tuned. We've got more. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network. Coast to coast across the USA. Don't go anywhere.

00;31;11;16 - 00;32;59;04

Cary Hall

Welcome back. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocates broadcasting coast to coast across the fruited plain here on the HIA Radio Network. You can find out more about us by going to the website America's Healthcare Advocate dot com. If you have a question, comment or concern, you need help with something. Send me an email. I'll be happy to help you. All right. My producer, Darren Wilhite, I'm your host, Cary Hall, joining me from Florida. They D.J. Schmidt, CEO and founder of Neuro 20 and Michael Finkelstein, co-founder, president of Neuro 20. We're talking about the neuro 20 suit. Remember I told you it looks like a wetsuit. They held it up earlier in the broadcast. It looks like a wetsuit. It's got a little little computer gizmo. The grips on the side is about the size of a pack of cigarets back in the day. And that goes on to an iPad where you can literally program this thing to do any muscle group or all muscle groups, depending on how you want to use it, you can use it for all of those things. If you are a therapist, if you're a physical therapist, if you're an M.D., if you're a nurse practitioner, any of these and you're doing any kind of rehab work, maybe you're working with stroke patients, whatever the case may be, go to the website Neurologic,dot life. neurologic.life. All the information is up there on the Neuro 20. The folks there will be happy to reach out to you, get you a demonstration and show you how all of this works. So so we've had this is interesting now that we've gotten through the FDA process and all the rest of it now, and this is important for providers listening. It's billable on CPT code. So let's talk about that where and how that application lets them go back to the insurance carriers. So those of you that are pedestrian out there listening this and maybe you want to go see a physician that's using it, your insurance will cover it. Okay. That's part of what we're talking about. So talk about that, Michael and D.J. and how that works.

00;32;59;04 - 00;33;15;27

D.J. Schmidt

Well, I'm going to let Mike lead this. I'm going to let you know we do qualify for CPT codes, right? We are working on additional DME, durable medical equipment codes and remote telemedicine, remote monitoring, basically. But I'll let might get in details if that's his wheelhouse. And I know what I don't know.

00;33;15;29 - 00;33;16;19

Cary Hall

Okay, good.

00;33;16;19 - 00;33;20;02

Michael Finkelstein

You're probably perfectly all right.

00;33;20;02 - 00;33;21;00

Cary Hall

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;33;22;14 - 00;35;18;14

Michael Finkelstein

All right. So, yeah, so there's the 97,000 code series. So what we did is we went out, we had reimbursement landscape done by a very reputable medical provider consulting company out of DC. They're very well known. They did a full reimbursement landscape on the product, but you have to be FDA cleared to be able to do any of that. Right? Right. Get that down. Now we can go to insurance. So the neuromuscular reeducation codes, the 97,000 codes apply to our suit and and the beautiful thing is, is that Medicare has a rule where you have to do 15 minutes of a particular program. It's actually 8 minutes is the cutoff because it's one more than half where they will allow you to bill for that. So because of the way our system works, you can run multiple programs. You can have somebody in like a gate reeducation, a muscle pattern or a strength pattern, stop them after 8 minutes and switch it to, say, massage mode or switch it to strength mode and run multiple programs within a single patient session and then stack those codes accordingly. So now you're stacking the codes and are able to do that. And then so it's it's great. There's also a G code for electrical muscle stimulation that you can add on as a tack on. And generally the private payers are paying for this. You know, the insurance companies accept the Medicare codes for the most part, and then, you know, you might run into something here and there, but for the most part they do. And that's what we apply for. Now, when you're in the office, the next step is to apply to Medicare for our own unique code or to state that or Medicare for Medicare to say, Hey, these are these products out there with these insurance codes, you can apply for those for at home use because the FDA cleared us for at home use.

00;35;18;14 - 00;35;38;10

Cary Hall

That's wonderful that and now we're to go back to that real quick because I've said to people, you know, if you're if you're dealing make you look, I've got a very good friend who's father in law has significant Parson’s. He's one of the first people I'm sending this broadcast out to for a link because he could use that at home. So let's get into that at home a little bit more.

00;35;38;11 - 00;36;14;20

Michael Finkelstein

It's really important. So again, your provider's still going to tell you to go use it at home and they're going to say, use it, you know, say two times a week or three times a week, you know, for X amount of minutes on whatever programs. And the provider's going to get paid to train you how to use it. There's a code for that. And then the provider can come on if they want. They can come in through Zoom, just like we're doing right here, and they can direct you through Zoom while you control the system at home and give you exercises and tell you what to do. And they can build those remote, those RTM codes which are very valuable a provider.

00;36;15;27 - 00;36;56;06

Cary Hall

Okay, So we've got about 2 minutes left here. So I want to go back to one thing. If somebody is out there and they want to do this at home themselves, they don't want to go to a doctor. They look, I just I watched this. I went to the website and went to Neurologic Life and I think I want to do this. It is safe for them to do it. They can be trained on how to do it. It's not I want what I'm trying to get across here is this isn't rocket science and it could make a big difference. Again, I'm going to use Parkinson's because I keep going back to my friend whose father in law's got Parkinson's so they could reach out and they could learn how to use this on the computer in the whole nine yards and be trained on how to use it. Is that correct or incorrect?

00;36;56;17 - 00;37;04;21

D.J. Schmidt

You do have to go through a doctor, a nurse practitioner, a chiropractor, Somebody like that has to go through to actually provide them the equipment. It's not an over-the-counter.

00;37;04;23 - 00;37;06;23

Cary Hall

No, no doubt. Yeah, I know that neurologically.

00;37;06;26 - 00;37;15;12

D.J. Schmidt

Their doctor, they can go to them and say, yeah, I wanted the doctor could send us a letter saying, yes, I've looked at your technology, approved it, you know. l’ll monitor them. Send it to them. We can send a direct to the patient.

00;37;15;13 - 00;37;56;27

Cary Hall

So I am speaking to you people out there, you know, direct. Okay, know if you want to do this, if you go to and learn nurologic.life, I'll get it right here. They'll connect you with a medical provider that can in fact do this, and then they will train you on how to use this for that specific issue or whatever it may be. So, but it is available. That's the point I'm trying to make. Some people may not want to go through a whole, you know, if you want to go direct and try to do this yourself and put it together, you think there's a need for it will teach you how to do it and will give you the benefits of it and how it works so it can be done. All right. So before we wrap it up here, let's go back through who the providers you typically that are typically interested in this, Michael.

00;37;57;12 - 00;38;11;15

Michael Finkelstein

Physical therapists, occupational therapist, rehabilitation specialists, all the surgeons, neurosurgeon, ortho surgeon. Obviously they want better outcomes for their patients. Spinal surgery, you know.

00;38;11;15 - 00;38;14;26

Cary Hall

So orthopedic, orthopedic practices should be looking at this.

00;38;15;01 - 00;38;29;23

Michael Finkelstein

Absolutely. Orthopedic practices, neurological practices or neurologists, anybody who's in the surgical space, so to speak, even plastic surgeons are to even podiatrists Yeah.

00;38;30;06 - 00;38;47;12

D.J. Schmidt

You know, think about this. But, you know, the surgeons are seeing people on a regular basis after post surgery. If we can shorten that recovery time a little bit, that lets the surgeon have more time in the operating room, you know, that gives him more time in the operating room. Yeah, just be real. That's where the surgeons make their money. Yeah, it is an operating room when they can because that's where they make their money.

00;38;47;12 - 00;38;52;02

Michael Finkelstein

So and that's and psychiatrists and we have a medical team.

00;38;52;04 - 00;39;11;18

Cary Hall

Yeah we do. We've got Dr. Frank Palermo who's one of the most renowned psychiatrists in the country. So guys, we're running up on the end of the show here. Thank you both for doing this very much. I greatly appreciate it. Once again, people, as I said, I don't put these kinds of things on the air unless I believe in it. And I know it works. This product works. If you want information, neurologic dot life.

00;39;11;18 - 00;39;37;20

Cary Hall

And now I leave you with this thought from Albert Einstein, the one who follows the crowd. You usually get no further than the crowd, the one who walks alone is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. Remember friends, It's a funny thing about life. If you refuse to accept anything but the very best, you most often get it. Thank you for listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting coast to coast across the USA. Goodbye, America.