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Episode 2105 Transcript:

America's Healthcare Advocate, Cary Hall.

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Cary Hall

Hello, America. Welcome to America's Healthcare Advocate Show broadcasting coast to coast across USA here on the HIA Radio Network. Thank you for joining us, for making us one of the most listened to talk shows across the United States. We thank all of you that our listeners, all of you that follow us on our 16 podcast platforms and our YouTube channel.

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Cary Hall

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Cary Hall

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Cary Hall

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Cary Hall

All right. Joining me in studio today, Doctor Andersen, Doctor Cronin and one of their patients, Tony Bardo. Doctor Cronin and Tony are here from out of state.

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Cary Hall

Doctor Cronin, you came in from Colorado. Thank you for joining us today.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Thank you so much.

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Cary Hall

Great to have you here. Doctor Andersen, you've been here with us six different times.

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Dr. Andersen

Yes, I think a few times. Thank you very much.

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Cary Hall

You're a veteran of the show. Tony, welcome to the show. Happy to have you on board. Thank you. So this show today is going to be a little different. We're going to be talking about Neuro20, the Neuro20 suit. We're going to be talking about that its benefits. How it's being used. And actually Tony who is a patient. Now we all know a little bit about Doctor Andersen because as I said, he's been on this show a number of times and he's very familiar to this audience, but a little bit on Doctor Cronin.

00;02;49;27 - 00;03;15;10

Cary Hall

He has a doctorate in physical therapy, a bachelor's of exercise science, International Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Therapy Review, and the Orthopedic and certified Orthopedic Specialist. So he certainly knows his way around the block when it comes to these kinds of topics. He's taught at Johns Hopkins, Stanford, TCU, K-State, Wash U, Saint Louis U. Lebanon Valley College and Life University.

00;03;15;10 - 00;03;37;12

Cary Hall

So he's definitely well versed and understands this topic. He came in from Colorado. Did they do this show? And we are very happy to have him here. So let's just start off a little bit if we can. Doctor Cronin, about a high level discussion on these neurological issues and then how the muscular stimulation, electro stimulation you're doing with the Neuro20 suit, how does all that fit in?

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

It's kind of funny. The way all this got together was first is it was actually created in the orthopedic space. It was like fitness, you know, they it's like, hey, let's go stimulate a bunch of body parts. And the creator of this product actually is a marine, and he uses it to fix himself. He got over 160 broken bones, got blown up by multiple IEDs, and he used to fix himself because of all this.

00;03;56;16 - 00;04;15;26

Dr. Kieth Cronin

What happened was, was like, okay, let's just think about what this thing's going to do. Let's let's just stimulate muscles and see what happens. But what happened over the course of time is I came on board about a year and a half ago, and you saw my background. I'm orthopedic, I know sports, I work with professional athletes. I also realized, wait a minute, this is doing way more than just moving body parts.

00;04;16;00 - 00;04;37;08

Dr. Kieth Cronin

It's doing something in the head. Something's happening because we all of a sudden start seeing these patients. It's getting better across the board, whether it's multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's or individuals or amputees, individuals who are having just tremendous issues. And all of a sudden, why does a person with POTS and dysautonomia? And then someone who has, say, chronic pain.

00;04;37;11 - 00;04;49;25

Dr. Kieth Cronin

What do they have in common? And when we started to find was started back track and realized this thing is doing way more than we thought it did, and it's doing things at a brain level and a body level that just have never been really seen before.

00;04;49;27 - 00;05;10;21

Cary Hall

And it's amazing to me how they continue to find new things that this suit does and this therapy does. Now, one of the ones that I thought was fascinating is Parkinson's. Yes. Because, you know, typically what happens with Parkinson's, it's medication, medication, medication. So just a little bit about that if you will, because I know there have been some amazing results for people that have Parkinson's.

00;05;10;28 - 00;05;14;00

Cary Hall

And it's done a lot to change their lives. Talk a little bit about that one.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

So with Parkinson's, you have an issue in the part of your brain called a substantia nigra where there it's just not producing much dopamine. You start to lose it. After you lose about 70% of these cells, you start to notice symptoms. And what's kind of funny is dopamine is this incredible neurotransmitter in that it's it's used mainly for two things.

00;05;31;11 - 00;05;48;10

Dr. Kieth Cronin

The first thing is movement. And the second thing is reward. It's like risk-reward. Right. So if you can't move towards what you want in the world, how are you going to be happy? How are you going to have this mental clearity. What's going to give you purpose. Well, that's that's the challenge. So individuals who have this have trouble moving, initiating movement.

00;05;48;13 - 00;06;04;14

Dr. Kieth Cronin

Well, in the process of that, they start to actually lose muscle tone. They start to lose the ability to balance and things. So it's not just that the lack of dopamine, you start to have this cascading effect. Well, with Neuro20, what happens is because you can stimulate all the body at the same time, you're starting to create more signal to the brain.

00;06;04;16 - 00;06;30;20

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And I'll say this signal thing like over and over, we are communicators in our own bodies. We have billions and of connections that go from cell to cell. If we can electrically tap into that system, we don't have to worry about the negative cascading effects of things like we have with pharmacological, where we have... you rob sometimes, Peter, to pay Paul, this is a situation where it's not to get rid of something, it's to bring something new to the table that we've never been able to do before.

00;06;30;20 - 00;06;45;25

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And so with something like Parkinson's, if we can stimulate all the muscles in the body, there is a thing called we have a brain to body axis. So we have a neuro to muscle axis. In recent times, if you look at some of the studies at Washu and some of these other places, they figured out it's flipped as well.

00;06;46;02 - 00;07;02;11

Dr. Kieth Cronin

There is a muscle to brain axis. We can do things right now that you can go through the body to affect the head. Thus Parkinson's comes to the table. You have a strictly brain problem. But why do we have people who are using Neuro20 who have a reduction in tremors, why all the sudden are they able to initiate movement better?

00;07;02;14 - 00;07;16;06

Dr. Kieth Cronin

It's because if we can stimulate and signal and create that information that goes into the head, let it take care of itself from there. Our brains and bodies have been doing this for a very long time. We just need to tap into the right frequency, make a difference.

00;07;16;14 - 00;07;17;24

Cary Hall

And it does make a difference.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

And it does.

00;07;18;23 - 00;07;35;05

Cary Hall

So the little bit about it before we go to break here, we got about two minutes left. What what are you seeing in people that are accessing this treatment that have Parkinson's. How much of a difference is it making for them. How much control are they getting back or they start. Is it changing their life significantly? Is it marginal?

00;07;35;05 - 00;07;36;19

Cary Hall

What? How do you see it? I was it's.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Pretty significant because you have a reduction in falls. So you have improvements in muscle tone. You have a decrease in fatigue. You have this decrease in what we call sympathetic drive. Right. So sympathetic drive is essentially you're in fight or flight all the time. That's what all these conditions with Parkinson's and everything else have in common. You are in fight or flight all the time.

00;07;55;03 - 00;08;15;04

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And if we can decrease that, if we can improve your body's ability to regulate itself and regulate the autonomic system, which is the thing at the control of all this, which is again across all of them, then all of a sudden you can have things like your decreased blood pressure. You can have the decreased heart rate, you can be decreasing anxiety, you can have decreased fatigue and all of those things play into.

00;08;15;05 - 00;08;36;19

Dr. Kieth Cronin

So why I say it's super impactful. Are we getting rid of Parkinson's? No. There is still a problem that's occurring within the head, but a lot of the cascading events that occur from it. Well, now we can instead of just talking about quantity of life, we need to have a conversation about quality. And this is where Neuro20 comes in, is that if we can move, we can move in a better direction, we can move to feel better.

00;08;36;19 - 00;08;59;04

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And most importantly, that's why we even have the tagline is technology that moves you. It's not just moving you physically, it's moving you in a lot of other different ways. And I think that's really important that we're able to talk about this is because as the science starts to unfold and we have some of the top institutions in the US starting to look at this and others starting to research it, more is going to come out because I think we barely scratched the surface with this.

00;08;59;04 - 00;09;01;08

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And that's what I'm really excited to talk about today.

00;09;01;10 - 00;09;21;29

Cary Hall

It's really optimistic. Yeah, it is great to hear this kind of thing, especially when it doesn't involve pharmaceuticals and more drugs and more drugs with all the side effects and everything else that comes with it. We'll be right back after the break. Your listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting here on the HIA Radio network. Coast to coast across the USA.

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Cary Hall

Stay tuned. The doctors are in the house.

00;09;33;03 - 00;09;51;11

Cary Hall

Welcome back to the show. We’ve got Doctor Andersen, Doctor Cronin and Tony Bardo, who is a patient here in studio with us today. So we've got a full house with the doctors. But I want to show you what this Neuro20 suit looks like. So that is the Neuro20 suit. Looks kind of like a wet suit. You know, idea of what this looks like.

00;09;51;16 - 00;10;05;17

Cary Hall

And then there's a device that attaches here that is basically a small computer that runs this suit. So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask Doctor Cronin to talk about how the suit works and what it is. Doctor, let's talk about the Neuro20 suit.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

So I'd like to call it like the Iron Man suit. That's like, Tony Stark of rehab. And I think it's important that we have the almost, like, the fun of it. Because if you have a condition like multiple sclerosis, or even if you're an athlete training, you're both training to push at your best, right? You're you're obviously dealing with a different deck of cards, but at the same point, we always believe that everyone should suit up and you should suit up the same because you're everyone's trying to get the most movement out of life.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

So that suit right there is an absolutely incredible marvel because it meets all the FDA requirements for its medical purposes. Right? So it has to be, you know, meets cytotoxic standards. It needs to be comfortable. It even has it has the capacity way more than you see, like a standard Tens unit. This thing's like 20 of them together.

00;10;49;05 - 00;11;07;00

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And it wasn't until we actually we figured out like, wait a minute, if you stuck more of these things together, you don't just get a localized effect, you get a whole effect because it's in regards like pharmaceutical, right? It's dosage, like the drug has dose. Right. And if I gave you 5% of a Tylenol, would it work? Well probably not.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Right. Well, what if I gave you the proper dosage? That's all Neuro20 is. That's what that suit is, is the right dosage to make a change in the human body. And on the inside of it, you can actually go take it. You can zip it, turn it inside out, and you can even go show the camera. So you can actually show what this thing is on the inside, because the outside looks cool.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Right? Again. So I can be in the next Marvel movie and I'll make sure I'll get my money from that. But until then, you can actually see all these different pads are on the inside, outside. Covers your back, it covers your hips, it covers the glute muscles quad, and it allows you to change the milliamps in each different part of the suit.

00;11;41;10 - 00;11;57;20

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And what that does is certain parts take more energy, other parts take less energy. And this is where the brilliance comes in with this thing. It's that it because it spreads out the energy, it doesn't get noxious. So if if you've ever done like E-Stem and stuff before, you get that like sharp sensation like, oh, this hurts, right?

00;11;57;22 - 00;12;17;03

Dr. Kieth Cronin

Well, that's because there's just too much energy going into one spot. This spreads it out. So now all of a sudden you can have a less we call average current density. You can have less amount of energy per amount of space, which means you can do more. And if you can do more, that means you can put more energy in to have an effect on the human body and brain.

00;12;17;05 - 00;12;34;07

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And if you can put all that together, what happens so much? And now we're seeing what is happening with multiple sclerosis. Why is it all of a sudden benefiting people with amputations and are trying to relearn how to use a limb? Why is it someone who has something like dysautonomia, where they have trouble just putting their head back and they pass out?

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Why are they also improving? It's it's old science with a new delivery mechanism. And the way I always put it is like, look, 400 horses is not 400 horsepower. One is a bunch of ponies and one is a Lamborghini. We have a Lamborghini, okay. And now the Lamborghini is needed. And that's why I joke. We all these conditions that you see out there, these complicated things, it was like bringing a knife to a tank fight.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Neuro20 is a tank. We have to head these significant neurogenic conditions head on, with movement, with actual things that create improvement in quality of life and that change the way that we do things. And that's what that thing is. That's why I joke. That's Tony Stark's thing right there. It's about time that the world sees it and understands what is coming, and that that people put through all the things to make sure it was cleared for medical purposes, make sure it met all the standards, made sure that that thing was appropriate for the sensitivity of individuals who have these complex conditions.

00;13;32;09 - 00;13;42;00

Dr. Kieth Cronin

So we can have a new tool to fight this battle, that we have to realize that even neurological conditions right now, estimate over the next ten years is going to be $13 trillion.

00;13;42;02 - 00;13;42;27

Cary Hall

That's a lot of money.

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Dr. Kieth Cronin

Long Covid alone is going to be between 3 and 4 trillion over the next ten years. I just think about those numbers. That's enough. That's more than like most countries combined over the next years for their entire GDP. And that's just what we're going to be facing with this. And if we're not coming to the table with noninvasive, drug free, portable solutions, those things can go home.

00;14;03;08 - 00;14;16;16

Dr. Kieth Cronin

We can have a much bigger conversation in saying when the next time and potentially anything happens, we're all of a sudden locked down. How are we going to take care of ourselves? Well, this is the toothpaste is out now right there. That's how we're going to brush our teeth.

00;14;16;18 - 00;14;18;21

Cary Hall

It's really quite remarkable. I love the way you put that.

00;14;18;28 - 00;14;29;23

Cary Hall

Doctor Andersen, talk a little bit before we go to break here we’ve got about 3.5 minutes left on how you're actually applying this now at your practice at New Day and how all of that is working.

00;14;29;23 - 00;15;07;24

Dr. Andersen

And we're very happy to have Doctor Cronin here as well, because he's added a lot of additional understanding for us as far as how really to apply some of the things that we're doing. But we've had several patients come in with peripheral neuropathy, foot drop, a number of conditions that are not necessarily life threatening, for example, like Parkinson's would be or M.S., but they are certainly significant life altering conditions for these people, and it makes it so they can't really function without assistance.

00;15;07;26 - 00;15;35;03

Dr. Andersen

If you have significant foot drop, you're going to have to have a walker or braces or something of that nature. So what we have found is that putting those people in a Neuro20 suit and then actually putting them through some of the exercises, requiring them to use those muscles, they start using them over time. And in some cases they will start noticing an improvement.

00;15;35;03 - 00;16;00;12

Dr. Andersen

Like in peripheral neuropathy, we see benefits after just 2 or 3 treatments. I didn't say resolved, but we see an improvement. “Oh, I'm about half what I came with” type of thing. And we have a number of patients where we have completely resolved their peripheral neuropathy. They've had therapy, at various other places, various other situations for years, no result resolution.

00;16;00;16 - 00;16;28;03

Dr. Andersen

And now they have it completely resolved. The foot drop issue, significant improvement. As Tony is going to talk about here in the next session. And that is something as well that takes people to the point of being able to get back to exercise, because we know physical conditioning is a is a huge issue to lifestyle, and if they can get back to doing some of that, they can improve their heart conditions and other conditions as well.

00;16;28;06 - 00;16;36;13

Dr. Andersen

Just by getting those, what we would consider, relatively minor conditions completely resolved.

00;16;36;15 - 00;16;51;23

Cary Hall

You know, you wonder why I do these kinds of broadcasts. This is why. All right, well, I get doctors to come in here who are experts to talk about these issues. If you know somebody that's got a problem like this and they're dealing with it, whether it's Parkinson's, M.S., maybe they have Drop Foot. My brother had that for years.

00;16;51;23 - 00;17;10;17

Cary Hall

Okay. There is a solution. There's a way for them to get better. We're not going to tell you it's going to cure you, but it can make a significant difference in your life. If you want help, go to the website BrandNewDayKC.com. That's the website. All of this information's up there.

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Cary Hall

You can schedule appointment. People are coming in here from all over the country for these kinds of treatments. We're going to talk a little bit with Tony in a few minutes about how he's done, and what a difference this has made for him when he's actually had the treatment. We'll be right back after the break. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network.

00;17;29;20 - 00;17;43;29

Cary Hall

Coast to coast across the USA. Stay right there. We'll be right back.

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Cary Hall

Welcome back to America's Healthcare Advocate Show, broadcasting coast to coast across USA. Here on the HIA Radio Network. You can find out more about us by going to the website AmericasHealthcareAdvocate.com. If you have questions or comments, send me an email. I'll be happy to answer them. I do answer each and every one that I get.

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Cary Hall

Tony flew in here today from Washington, D.C. he's here to do treatment at Brand New Day. In addition to that, he's here in-studio with us today to tell his story. So we're going to go to Tony and ask him to tell us why he comes to Brand New Day, what what his treatment is for, and what a difference this make. Tony, let's just start with your story and thank you for flying in air from DC today.

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Cary Hall

Great to have you in studio.

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Tony Bardo

Good morning.

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Cary Hall

Just start with just tell us the story of what your condition was and then how you got to Brand New Day. And what a difference so far this has made for you.

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Tony Bardo

I'm now 72 years old, and through my life I've been an athlete, Division one soccer player, from throughout my adult life, playing with our kids, coaching soccer and so forth, and playing tennis and been very active. And then one day, I was, riding my bike and I had a bike fall, had an accident, pick myself up, walked back to the house, and about four days later realized while I was attending a soccer practice, helping my son coach his team, that my legs were heavy.

00;19;06;01 - 00;19;33;08

Tony Bardo

I just couldn't understand why. And they weren't moving as well. And people would kick me a ball and I couldn't even reach for it. And so after, much, you know, trying to find information about why, I end up with physical therapy, gabapentin, acupuncture, and none of these things worked. And we're now into this journey four and a half years later.

00;19;33;10 - 00;20;10;21

Tony Bardo

And what I realized, after this fall and after this, event occurred for me, that I lost my mobility, and that was devastating to me. And and, I just couldn't operate the way I operated all my life, which was mobility. And, retired from my job and still had this inability to find something that would help solve the problem until I was introduced to, Brand New Day and to Steve Sanborn and these fine gentleman here.

00;20;10;23 - 00;20;47;10

Tony Bardo

And we started, getting the treatment and getting the, the making the decision to come from DC to Kansas City. I did this about 3 or 4 weeks ago and had a week long session with these people, and I noticed some very dramatic results. Am I cured? Is my Drop Foot cured? No it's not, but it is. I'm 50% better after the one week I had with, with the, the the the group and it it made such a difference and I made such progress that I said, you know what?

00;20;47;13 - 00;21;19;18

Tony Bardo

I want to do this again. Steve, accommodated my request. We came back, met with Doctor Andersen, met with Doctor Cronin and we have just we're learning every day the things that, you know, are new to me and new to all of us in terms of how this is progressing and some of the new techniques we use and how we're using Neuro20 and, and the laser treatments and so forth, and the stretching exercises I've been taught.

00;21;19;20 - 00;21;22;10

Tony Bardo

It's just made a big, big, big difference for me.

00;21;22;12 - 00;21;29;24

Cary Hall

And so I want to go back to this for four and a half years. You tried acupuncture, go down the list.

00;21;29;29 - 00;21;33;25

Tony Bardo

Physical therapy and pharmaceutical treatment.

00;21;33;28 - 00;21;37;25

Cary Hall

And none of that made it none of that made a difference, yet negligible.

00;21;37;27 - 00;21;39;19

Tony Bardo

If if at all, if at all.

00;21;39;19 - 00;21;53;10

Cary Hall

And you've you've been doing this for one you you did one full week of treatments here at Brand New Day. Okay. And you have seen about a 50% improvement from where you were before with Drop Foot and the other issues you were having.

00;21;53;10 - 00;22;00;11

Tony Bardo

In the middle of day two. I was doing pirouettes. Maybe not that I'm a dancer. I don't I.

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Cary Hall

Was hopefully you weren’t wearing a Tutu

00;22;01;22 - 00;22;02;03

Dr. Andersen

recording any of it. it.

00;22;02;03 - 00;22;10;02

Tony Bardo

But yeah, but you know, this, this, this wetsuit, this. You know, I felt like, you know, I was going to go surfing, but I was in Kansas.

00;22;10;04 - 00;22;12;27

Cary Hall

Yeah. we don’t do a lot of surfing.

00;22;13;01 - 00;22;34;27

Tony Bardo

But we, we, we tried these this, this suit on and I felt the, the the stimulation, the the the pulsation, the, all the technology that goes into this. And I felt it in my muscles. I felt it in my legs, I felt it in my feet. And and especially with Drop Foot. You want to feel it in your feet.

00;22;34;27 - 00;22;49;14

Tony Bardo

You want to get that mobility back, that ability to turn and and navigate around furniture in your house. Stick your leg out when your two year old grandson knocks, you know, knocks the ball toward you.

00;22;49;17 - 00;22;51;00

Cary Hall

I know about that. Yeah.

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Tony Bardo

These are all just just wonderful things that I haven't been able to achieve for the last four and a half years. And yet they came naturally to me until the accident.

00;23;02;01 - 00;23;20;06

Cary Hall

So, Doctor Andersen, let's talk about the whole treatment program we're doing here. One of the things that's fascinating to me is he again, you know, he's done this for one full week. Now he's back doing it for a second week. There are no pharmaceuticals involved. As Doctor Cronin pointed out. Just, you know, we're all pharmaceutical free here with everything you're doing.

00;23;20;10 - 00;23;23;24

Cary Hall

Right. Talk about this regimen. What a difference it's made where we're at, doctor.

00;23;24;00 - 00;23;46;15

Dr. Andersen

And I think I was trying to explain a little further as well. He has bilateral foot drop. And so not just one he has both feet. And that's pretty significant when it comes to just walking on a daily basis. And a month ago when I saw him first, I asked him, what is your goal? And he says, my goal is to be able to play with my grandchildren.

00;23;46;17 - 00;24;15;05

Dr. Andersen

And so, like he said, being able to kick the ball or actually just walk with them as well, when they're playing. So we started with the program. We did the evaluations as well. So we do Wavi and TM Flow typically, which are evaluations both of the brain and also the autonomic nervous system. So we evaluate what's happening in that electrical system over the body.

00;24;15;07 - 00;24;38;12

Dr. Andersen

And then we put him in the suit. But one of the reasons we do the electrical evaluation, the brain and the autonomic nervous system is so that we can track progress. And if we can't track progress, people still don't believe it. Even if he could walk without braces and crutches and whatever, where's your data to prove it? I mean, that's kind of the thing in medicine.

00;24;38;12 - 00;25;02;24

Dr. Andersen

You got to have some data to prove it. So because otherwise you just said, oh, that's just anecdotal, but we have data that we can show the autonomic nervous systems function is coming up. The brain function is coming up. We actually have hard data to prove that. And then the device that Doctor Cronin has now introduced us to actually gives us data on balance.

00;25;02;27 - 00;25;30;17

Dr. Andersen

So that's even taking the next step further. So in addition I also talk to him about nutrition. We talked to him about hormones. We talked to him about lifestyle. Because you've got to have the building blocks for the nervous system to be able to continue. And one of the things that we see with long term disability is that when you get muscle atrophy and nerve atrophy, people exhaust very rapidly when they're being treated.

00;25;30;19 - 00;26;06;25

Dr. Andersen

And then you have to get the nutrition in there at therapeutic levels in order to be able to continue to build that muscle and build and regenerate the nervous system. So we look at it as a complete package. What's going on? What is his goal? And then Doctor Cronin has added to a specific physical therapy moves or techniques that need to be added into his regimen when he's using the suit so that we trigger specific nerves, specific muscles, and specific actions.

00;26;06;28 - 00;26;27;05

Dr. Andersen

You might say, to turn back on the brain that has really, not really gotten lazy, but because you don't use it. The old statement that we hear a lot, use it or lose it, that's very true of the brain relative to the autonomic nervous system, relative to muscle movement, as well in the brain.

00;26;27;07 - 00;26;30;14

Cary Hall

And you're measuring that using Wavi the brain scan.

00;26;30;14 - 00;26;47;03

Dr. Andersen

What we're measuring the brain with the Wavi, but we're measuring the autonomic nervous system in the body using the TM Flow. And then the device that Doctor Cronin is going to talk about gives us the balance evaluation right there.

00;26;47;06 - 00;27;00;06

Cary Hall

That's not a GoPro camera by the way. That is not but I'm ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. But he is ready to go. And we come back from the break. We're going to I want him to I'm going to pick up his phone. I'm going to ask him to show this and explain it so you can see actually how it works.

00;27;00;14 - 00;27;22;08

Cary Hall

You know, here's the thing about everything both of you were talking about here today. There are no pharmaceuticals involved in this. To me, that's absolutely fascinating because you know as well as I do the first line of treatment in this country for anything, I don't care what it is, is here's your prescription medications. I don't care what it is, what you're doing here, what what what's combined here with Brand New Day and how you're doing.

00;27;22;08 - 00;27;49;25

Cary Hall

This is so revolutionary. Different. It's amazing. Me what I hear you sit and talk about this is being discovered now. So maybe people are starting to listen at a higher level. And maybe the hospital systems and the insurance carriers and some of the other people in this country are going to figure out, you throw out some numbers there of, you know, billions and trillions of dollars that are going to be for no, the lack of a better word, pissed away on stuff that's not going to work when there are situations.

00;27;49;27 - 00;27;53;05

Cary Hall

There are programs like this. They can work and make a huge difference.

00;27;53;05 - 00;28;09;17

Dr. Kieth Cronin

I mean, I'll make it so simple. There are 20,000 pharmaceuticals out on the market right now. There are 20,000. And I'm coming to the table right now to say, can we just try something electrical? I'm asking for one. I'm not asking for a handout. I'm asking to say we have science that's working and it's cleared and it's safe and effective.

00;28;09;17 - 00;28;11;20

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And maybe it's about time we give it a shot.

00;28;11;26 - 00;28;29;26

Cary Hall

Yeah. And if it's about time. And by the way, everything we're talking about here, from the Wavi to the Neuro20 to the red light blue light treatment that's going on a Brand New Day. All of that is FDA cleared. Just so you understand how this all works. But the website, if you want to learn more, I don't care where you're at in the country.

00;28;29;26 - 00;28;48;19

Cary Hall

If you want help, you can get it. BrandNewDayKC.com. We'll be right back after the break. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate here on the HIA Radio Network. The doctors are still in the house. Stay right there.

00;28;48;21 - 00;28;58;21

Cary Hall

Welcome back. You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate show, broadcasting coast to coast across the USA. My producer, Mr. Garner Cowdrey and Mr. David Thiessen today, always perfect in studio with me.

00;28;58;26 - 00;29;11;24

Cary Hall

Doctor Andersen, Doctor Cronin and patient Tony Bardo who just told his story comes all the way in here from Washington DC for this has had a 50% improvement in one week with drop foot on both feet.

00;29;11;24 - 00;29;31;18

Cary Hall

Okay, so this is a remarkable change from after four and a half years of trying to figure it out, okay. With, you know, acupuncture and all these other treatments. It didn't work. He found Brand New Day. And guess what? It's made a big difference for him. The website BrandNewDayKC.com, by the way, you're listening on the radio.

00;29;31;18 - 00;30;01;26

Cary Hall

Obviously you can't see a picture of the suit and you won't see the device that Doctor Cronin’s wearing we’re going to talk about here in a minute, but they're all on display at the website BrandNewDayKC.com, the phone number. If you'd like to call and set up a consultation, listen up. You can do that. 833-724-6522. Whether you're looking for the Wavi, the Neuro20 red light blue light, all of these treatments that I've talked about are FDA cleared.

00;30;02;01 - 00;30;11;02

Cary Hall

These devices are available to be used to help you or someone in your family if they have a need. All right. Being able to measure what you're doing and just the fact

00;30;11;04 - 00;30;12;13

Dr. Kieth Cronin

and look great while doing it.

00;30;12;15 - 00;30;15;08

Cary Hall

He's got to go. It looks like a go cam. It's not a go cam.

00;30;15;08 - 00;30;17;08

Dr. Kieth Cronin

GoPro it’s Go Keith basically. Yeah.

00;30;17;08 - 00;30;36;10

Cary Hall

But what's remarkable is what this thing does. So show us on the on the phone yesterday what you did with Tony and what it looks like hundred percent. And this is when when Doctor Andersen says we can measure it so we can show the skeptics in the medical world and the insurance carriers and the government. Gee whiz, this really works.

00;30;36;13 - 00;30;37;08

Cary Hall

This is how they do it.

00;30;37;08 - 00;30;54;21

Dr. Kieth Cronin

We need objective measurements. Everything has to be objective. I like the way they say like, oh, well, I think they're balancing better. That's great. But you need immutable evidence. So this is just a quick one. Did this yesterday. We actually did this one with them. Balance score is essentially 82%. This is called BioMEC. It’s actually now out on the market and getting into different hospital systems.

00;30;54;21 - 00;31;11;01

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And across the US. And what it does it shows he's basically shifted backwards that says like we call it posterior shift. So he's going like leaning back all the time, just two minutes later, doing quick balance exercises. I mean, super quick closed eyes, open eyes, head rotating. How does it get that much better that fast?

00;31;11;03 - 00;31;12;02

Dr. Kieth Cronin

91%

00;31;12;08 - 00;31;27;08

Dr. Kieth Cronin

So this is going from 82% to 91%. This means is significantly less risk of a falling. It almost looks almost better centered. That just shows you how quickly the neurological system can act. But if you have the right data, with the right treatment tool and you put the two together, guess what happens?

00;31;27;11 - 00;31;49;12

Cary Hall

This is great. Yeah, it you know doctor is and this is it's almost like unbelievable a miracle it all did. This works like it does now. And I'm not just talking about this. My wife comes to Brand New Day for treatment. She's had the red light treatment for neuropathy. She's she's also had the Neuro20 suit treatment. We're going to be doing more of that now that she's over this problem, this this knee issue.

00;31;49;12 - 00;31;56;23

Cary Hall

But having said all that, talk a little bit about your other patients, some of the things that you're doing and what this is making a huge difference for people.

00;31;56;23 - 00;32;24;19

Dr. Andersen

It is we have a gentleman that is, in his 70s. He had two heart attacks and, then subsequently strokes because they found that he had a hole in his heart and what it did, long and the short of it, he came to us basically unable to speak, completely unable to speak. He could just grunt. Basically, his mind was good other than that, and they had treated him with all different kinds of things conventionally.

00;32;24;19 - 00;32;50;22

Dr. Andersen

And of course, none of that helped. I mean, speech therapy and so on and so forth. So he's come to us and put him in the suit. We also have gotten some nutrition on board for him, and that the other day he walked into Steve's office and was able to say, how are you today? And you could understand him.

00;32;50;27 - 00;33;27;27

Dr. Andersen

I mean, literally when I first saw this man, it was, that was it. His wife had to tell me all the things that went on. And so treating him with the suit. Now, we're not treating his tongue, but we are treating his brain with the Neuro20 suit. And so that feedback to the brain is starting to make reconnections so that he actually is beginning to speak again after years of having disability from strokes. Two different strokes.

00;33;27;29 - 00;33;54;09

Dr. Andersen

We also have a lady who had brain cancer, glioblastoma about 20 years ago, had it remove radiation therapy, left her as a stroke patient. So left sided weakness, contracture. She couldn't open this left hand. It was so contracted, in fact, forcing it open. Her husband was concerned about breaking her fingers. It was so contracted, her toes also on the left foot.

00;33;54;09 - 00;34;14;11

Dr. Andersen

Were contracted up underneath her and I had she had been my patient for five years. We had done nutritional things for her. We’d done hormone therapy for her. She had done every kind of therapy you can think of. They spared no money and traveling around the country getting every kind of therapy she could get. She came to us.

00;34;14;14 - 00;34;36;28

Dr. Andersen

We started the Neuro20 program on her, and after, 2 or 3 treatments, she was able to open this hand and actually carry a bottle across the room without dropping it. On her own. And so talking about lifestyle improvement.

00;34;37;01 - 00;34;37;29

Cary Hall

Quality of life.

00;34;37;29 - 00;35;03;05

Dr. Andersen

Quality of life is amazing. When you start getting those kinds of improvements, it's slow with the brain, when you have those kinds of severe damages to the brain, you know, when you have strokes. So you actually have the tissue that's been killed in the brain. So you've got to regenerate some of that. You've got to teach the brain how to bypass that and function on its own.

00;35;03;05 - 00;35;06;23

Dr. Andersen

So you're really having to build some new tracks.

00;35;06;26 - 00;35;07;22

Cary Hall

But it can be done.

00;35;07;23 - 00;35;08;27

Dr. Andersen

But it can be done.

00;35;08;27 - 00;35;16;04

Cary Hall

That's what Dr. Cronin is saying the same thing. You you're proving it. You're not correct. Talking about it right here is living proof.

00;35;16;04 - 00;35;17;12

Dr. Andersen

Absolutely.

00;35;17;15 - 00;35;36;21

Dr. Kieth Cronin

We were taught in school. It's like after you've so many weeks and months, you have no plasticity left. This is years ago and this is what has changed my view. I used to teach against E-STEM in my courses, and now all of a sudden I'm a guy has to come back now and go, okay, if I can change, everyone else can because we had the wrong dose.

00;35;36;21 - 00;35;47;26

Dr. Kieth Cronin

And if we have the right dose now we are changing, not the way, just that we move. We are changing the way we move in the world. And now that's what's happening today. The science is here. It's time to get going.

00;35;47;28 - 00;36;03;29

Cary Hall

Yeah. You know, if it were if on the end of the broadcast here. But I will tell you if this doesn't impact you, if you're listening to this and you've got someone in your family or a friend or a coworker that's dealing with any of these issues, you really do need to listen to what these doctors are saying.

00;36;04;05 - 00;36;25;11

Cary Hall

You heard Tony give the testimonial. You know, the different systems that are being used, the Wavi brain scan, the Neuro20 suit, the red light blue light treatment. All of these things make an impact. They work. They work really well, actually, as you can tell from listening to Tony, who had a 50% improvement after one week of treatment, and there are many others.

00;36;25;11 - 00;36;50;06

Cary Hall

These are just a few. I know of many other patients that have come to Brand New Day and are having a tremendous effect on the quality of their life. That's what this does. If you want information, the website, BrandNewDayKC.com the phone number if you want to call them 833-724-6522.

00;36;50;09 - 00;36;53;05

Cary Hall

And now I leave you with this thought from Albert Einstein.

00;36;53;08 - 00;37;11;20

Cary Hall

The one who follows the crowd usually get no further than the crowd. The one who walks alone is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. Maybe that's these two gentlemen sitting right here. Thank you for listening to America's Healthcare Advocate broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network. Coast to coast across the USA.

00;37;11;20 - 00;37;16;15

Cary Hall

Goodbye, America.

00;37;16;17 - 00;37;23;06

Cary Hall